Starshine5050: Hey there everyone! Welcome back to another exciting rendition of Objection! As always I’m Starshine.
Elessar: And I am once again Elessar.
Starshine5050: Today we’re talking about the best superhero films of 2013! Elessar, what’s your top pick for this year?
Elessar: Well, if I’m being honest (and I have no intention of ever being anything else) it’ll have to be Iron Man 3.
That might be a slightly controversial choice, but I’m gonna stand by it. Mostly because both Thor 2 and Wolverine were mostly just average (although I think I liked Wolverine better) and Man of Steel was just…no. How about yourself?
Starshine5050: Obviously Man of Steel…just kidding. For me, while I did really enjoy Iron Man 3, it’s plot was a little jumbled and revisionist towards the end. My pick for 2013 is The Wolverine — clear cut, revives a great character and has awesome action.
Elessar: Well I did like Wolverine a lot more than I was expecting to. I think that, more than anything is why I liked Wolverine more than Thor. Thor was coming down off Avengers and Iron Man 3, which made it feel like a bit of a letdown. The movie The Wolverine had to be better tha to keep me happy was X3, which is something of an…easy ride, shall we say?
Starshine5050: Not to mention X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which I like sort of as a trashy fun film. What’s gray about Wolverine is that it adds a lot more history to the film franchise AND it links to some themes we will be seeing in Days of Future Past, which is going to be epic. What is it about Iron Man 3 that put it over the top with you?
Elessar: Well, and here comes the controversy, the big thing that pushed Iron Man 3 up to be my favorite is the big twist. I mean, I think it was the best written of the crop generally, but that’s not really saying much, none of them are going to be Fargo any time soon. But the big twist was unique, well handled, added a layer of depth and interest to the 3rd act and most of all, something I didn’t see coming. It’s nice to have a Superhero film, by and large a genre that can’t suprise me anymore, come up with something that legitimately caused my jaw to drop.
Starshine5050: I didn’t have a problem with the twist per se. I thought it was clever and shocking and quite topical. My issue is the revisionism in the film. They remove Iron Man’s core, the multiple suits destruction, reversing Pepper’s condition. I know they wanted to make sure to tie up the film in such a way that if RDJ didn’t want to make more movies, Iron Man would be all neatly tied up but it’s annoying. It was also nice to see a hero with mental problems. Disturbingly refreshing.
Elessar: I can see that irritation and it did rub me the wrong way at times (especially the ‘Oh well, we’ve got the Hulkbuster armor, but now I’m gonna blow it up’ thing…look I just like the Hulkbuster armor okay?) but overall it’s the one that stuck with me the most. Hell, it’s the one I felt like seeing a second time. And outside of that, and Pacific Rim, there weren’t a lot of blockbusters I felt like seeing twice this year.
Starshine5050: It’s definitely the best of the Iron Man films in my opinion, and it’s one of the best written, but it wasn’t the awesome film you expected post-Avengers.
Elessar: So, are you at all interested in discussing your thoughts on The Wolverine or shall we move on to the…other two?
Starshine5050: Disaster and steaming pile? We can talk about Wolverine if you want to bide some time even though we both know it’s an awesome movies that you didn’t ice due to personal tastes differing.
Elessar: I liked Wolverine fine. I thought it was well paced, looked nice, had a couple of good action scenes. Hugh Jackman was much more into playing Wolverine than he was the last couple times (and still quite…good looking, to put it in a family friendly way). Definitely better than X3 and Origins, probably better than X-Men, not as good as X2 or First Class.
Starshine5050: Where they pulled First Class out of I’ll never know but I hope they keep the momentum for Days of Future Past. I think it’s time we talked about…them.
Elessar: Alrighty, let’s talk about Thor. …You go first, I actually don’t have a lot in the way of interesting things to say about Thor.
Starshine5050: Thor wasn’t bad but the plot was pointless. It was useless movie to have except for tying it into Guardians of the Galaxy at the end. The acting was good and where we leave the characters is good but I’m not convinced they knew what they were doing in terms of story. It had it’s funny moments, but it lacked a lot of the camp from the original and felt dry and tasteless in the end.
Elessar: My big issue with Thor is it felt very…sequely. Does that make sense, is that a word? It pushed harder for all the stuff they knew the fans like (Action, Kat Dennings, Loki…sigh) but without moving the plot anywhere interesting. Hell, the most interesting developments, plot wise, are saved for the 10 seconds right before the credits and the 2 minutes in the middle of the credits. It’s well made enough to get a pass, but 3 months on, all I remember are my jokes about the Dark Elves from Warhammer and how often I’m forced to roll my eyes about the way the fans treat Loki.
Starshine5050: I honestly think we should drop Thor til we think of something to do with him and have a Loki movie. He’s a better written, more emotionally and mentally interesting character.
Elessar: He is, which is why they way the fans treat him irritates me. He’s such an interesting character, reducing him to a just another misunderstood bad boy sucks out the depth (not to mention ignores all the horrible stuff he does, but whatever). Although I would pay good money to hear Tom Hiddleston do the scene from The Sandman where Loki lights that girl on fire.
Starshine5050: That would be worth seeing. But alas Elessar, it’s time to bring up the biggest, shiniest, least liked superhero movie of the year.
Elessar: Do we have to?
Starshine5050: We do. It’s Man of Steel time. And you have the honor of going first.
Elessar: Alrighty. *pops knuckles* Let’s do this: Man of Steel is poorly written, sloppily directed mess, with flat boring characters, a complete lack of dramatic engagement during its fight scenes, a bizarre plot that manages the odd hat trick of being barely there and still a complete mess. The film as a whole is ugly, joyless and just plain draining to watch. How’d I do?
Starshine5050: You just about hit it on the nose. I think the worst part is a point MovieBob brought up — it’s just so disappointing. They tried so hard to make a Superman film, to make it great with new innovations and old nostalgia and it was a huge, shiny, plummet-to-Earth-in-a-ball-of-flame let down.
Elessar: I wasn’t disappointed frankly. After Watchmen and Sucker Punch, I have no faith in Zack Snyder at all, so I expected it to be bad. I guess that’s why it was so low on my worst of the year list. It didn’t disappoint me, because I had no expectations for it.
Starshine5050: That’s true. Well, let’s wrap this bad boy up. Last thoughts?
Elessar: I dunno. Between the Dark Knight, X-Men: First Class and the Avengers, I can’t help but feel that the superhero genre has, for the moment, peaked. There’s not a lot of places we can go that haven’t been explored already, and all the upcoming ones are just going to be living in their shadow. They can still be good, hell they can even be great, but they’re all going to pale in comparison.
Starshine: I’m just hoping that Guardians and Days knock it out of the park because we already know DC is totally incapable of making good super hero movies or keeping the good one good by not tacking on worse sequels.
That’s it for this week’s Objection! Tune in next time when Elessar and I battle over who knows the most about the Oscars.